jimswside wrote:I guess the WHite House convened a Asian Carp Summit yesterday.... problem solved.

shooter mcgavin wrote:I know you cant shut down the Mississippi river but my point is that it wasnt a big deal when they hit the Illinois River.They could have put up a barrier at the starved rock dam and contain them in the Peoria pier.
There are a couple guys commercial fishing them but dont think its worth the money if there is no market for them.
With this economy,couldnt the under privledged utilize them???????While were at it,what about the Canadian Geese???????

jimswside wrote:I guess the WHite House convened a Asian Carp Summit yesterday.... problem solved.

Cathy2 wrote:

shooter mcgavin wrote:I know you cant shut down the Mississippi river but my point is that it wasnt a big deal when they hit the Illinois River.They could have put up a barrier at the starved rock dam and contain them in the Peoria pier.
There are a couple guys commercial fishing them but dont think its worth the money if there is no market for them.
With this economy,couldnt the under privledged utilize them???????While were at it,what about the Canadian Geese???????

Supreme Lobster is actively giving those Asian Carp to Chef's to play with. They have also worked on how to filet to minimize bones. They are making an effort to create an interest. They wouldn't be doing this if they didn't identify a reliable supplier, which someone made an effort to convince Supreme Lobster.

In Peoria, there is a fish distributor named Dickson located on the river. Why don't they talk to them?

You're complaint with Illinois River management should be directed to the state of Illinois. The Great Lakes has Canada, New York, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin involved in its management. If the Illinois river had a similar set of interested parties and high level of commercial activity, it might have been offered a higher level of interest.

Regards,

Cathy2 wrote:HI,

A lot invasive species simply came from ship ballasts, too.

There were also thriving oyster beds on the Illinois River, which are long gone or at least that's my impression.

Regards,

m'th'su wrote:Silver and Bighead carp (Asian carp) are different from common carp. The former are filter feeders and survive on phytoplankton and zooplankton. The latter are foragers (aka "bottom feeders"), and as such their toxicity levels are bound to be different.

Airborne Contaminants and the Great Lakes wrote:Many contaminants are very small. They can easily become attached to fine sediment or nutrients, which are then filtered and eaten by zooplankton and invertebrates.

Contaminated Sediments and the Great Lakes wrote:Contaminants and the food chain

The Great Lakes food chain's lowest level is occupied by phytoplankton -- microscopic plants that absorb their necessary nutrients from the water. As phytoplankton absorb nitrogen and phosphorus, they also collect contaminants and are eaten by zooplankton, which, in turn, are eaten by progressively larger fish. Phytoplankton probably get most of their contaminants from the dissolved fraction of contaminants in the water column, but some can also be transferred in the suspended fraction.

Although pollutants may be excreted by a fish, most of the persistent contaminants are stored in the soft, fatty tissue and gradually build up, or bioaccumulate. Persistent contaminant concentrations in older, larger lake fish such as lake trout and salmon may be more than a million times higher per unit weight than concentrations in the surrounding lake water. The process by which a contaminant increases in concentration as it rises in the food chain is called biomagnification.

PCBs

Harmful effects of PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls) on fish and fish-eating birds have been documented. PCB effects on humans are less well understood. Because of the known impact on wildlife, there is justifiable concern about the effects of PCBs on human health. Scientific and medical researchers suspect that prolonged exposure to small doses of PCBs can contribute to a variety of human health problems, including developmental problems in children, liver damage and cancer. For this reason, health advisories caution against eating large amounts of large Great Lakes fish. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has determined that fish with PCB levels greater than two parts per million (ppm) pose a human health risk. PCBs accumulate in the body fat of humans just as they do in fish, and most are not passed out of the body.

LAZ wrote:I'd think twice about eating any sort of carp from local waters, unless you have an appetite for PCBs.

http://www.idph.state.il.us/envhealth/f ... sories.pdf

shooter mcgavin wrote:

LAZ wrote:I'd think twice about eating any sort of carp from local waters, unless you have an appetite for PCBs.

http://www.idph.state.il.us/envhealth/f ... sories.pdf

Look at the crap comming from China!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ill eat anything grown in Illinois first.

Khaopaat wrote:Fortunately for all of us, your argument is a false dichotomy, and there are plenty of options available to us that are not frozen Chinese fish and toxic local carp.

Darren72 wrote:

Khaopaat wrote:Fortunately for all of us, your argument is a false dichotomy, and there are plenty of options available to us that are not frozen Chinese fish and toxic local carp.

Don't you mean "Fortunately for all of us, your argument is a false dichotomy, and there are plenty of options available to us that are not frozen Chinese fish and toxic local carp!!!!!!!"?

Darren72 wrote:

Khaopaat wrote:Fortunately for all of us, your argument is a false dichotomy, and there are plenty of options available to us that are not frozen Chinese fish and toxic local carp.

Don't you mean "Fortunately for all of us, your argument is a false dichotomy, and there are plenty of options available to us that are not frozen Chinese fish and toxic local carp!!!!!!!"?

shooter mcgavin wrote:

Khaopaat wrote:Fortunately for all of us, your argument is a false dichotomy, and there are plenty of options available to us that are not frozen Chinese fish and toxic local carp.

Really threw me with "dichotomy".Had to look it up as im sure others here had to.
There are other options but who can afford them???????
What are your non-toxic options that a normal income family can afford.
Your turn......

Khaopaat wrote:

shooter mcgavin wrote:

Khaopaat wrote:Fortunately for all of us, your argument is a false dichotomy, and there are plenty of options available to us that are not frozen Chinese fish and toxic local carp.

Really threw me with "dichotomy".Had to look it up as im sure others here had to.
There are other options but who can afford them???????
What are your non-toxic options that a normal income family can afford.
Your turn......

Most of the members of this board represent "normal income families", and I'm almost positive that most avoid frozen Chinese fish, and likely none have eaten toxic local carp.

Here are a few threads that include discussions of good, fresh fish & where to find it:
It's Copper River Salmon Season
Costco
Is Whole Foods really the best place to get fish in Chicago? SPOILER ALERT: The answer is "not necessarily"
Good Morgan's on Devon

There are more threads & posts, but you're just as capable of searching & reading as I am. You're also just as capable of going over to Costco and checking out their ample selection of affordable fresh fish as anyone on this board...if you're serious about exploring what fresh fish options Chicago has to offer, you'll do so.

Frankly though, I don't think you care at all about finding fresh fish, and I have my doubts that you'll even bother to click on the threads I linked above. It appears to me that you're here solely to complain about the presence of Asian carp in the Illinois River and what you believe is a the lack of attention from the public about this issue. Well let me be the first to say: we heard you, and we get it. Consider your point made.

Finally, it's not necessary to end your posts with "Your turn". You finished typing and clicked 'Submit', which automatically signified that it is my (or anyone else's) "turn".

shooter mcgavin wrote:First of all,you used "your turn" at the end of one of your posts so before complaining about the mess in my yard,clean yours up.

shooter mcgavin wrote:Second,i dont know what your definition of "normal income" family is but with Gold Coast as your location its probably different than mine.

shooter mcgavin wrote:$19.99 a pound for salmon isnt doable in my house.

shooter mcgavin wrote:Lastly,read my previous posts.My gripe is that,and ill say it again where was all the uproar 10+ years ago.Chances are you had no clue about the epidemic until reading it on this board.

Khaopaat wrote:It appears to me that you're here solely to complain about the presence of Asian carp in the Illinois River and what you believe is a the lack of attention from the public about this issue. Well let me be the first to say: we heard you, and we get it. Consider your point made.