Nonstick pans by Misen [and other pans]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mi ... nstick-pan

Great price if you can get in on the early bird discount! I've been very happy with my other Misen cookware. The one time I had problems (rust spots on a knife) they replaced it anymore the problem did not occur again. These guys seem to be a great answer for serious home cook who can't afford the fancy stuff.

Sadly,
Misen provides no information on the non-stick lining. There are significant advances coming this fall in the technology for safety, heat limits and durability. LeCreuset has introduced durable non-stick pans at a reasonable cost.

Tim wrote:Sadly,
Misen provides no information on the non-stick lining. There are significant advances coming this fall in the technology for safety, heat limits and durability. LeCreuset has introduced durable non-stick pans at a reasonable cost.

Actually, Misen is very transparent about its nonstick coating, and both Misen and Le Creuset appear to both use the same Teflon nonstick coating.

Misen's Kickstarter page says it uses Dupont Teflon Platinum, a 3-layer, PFOA-free coating.

The Le Creuset website doesn't specify the brand or type of its non-stick coating, saying only that it's a triple-reinforced, PFOA-free coating. https://www.lecreuset.com/toughened-nonstick-cookware
Le Creuset also claims that it's safe to use metal utensils with its nonstick pans but warns that the pans are only safe to 500 F. https://www.lecreuset.com/materials

These characteristics and features are identical to the Dupont Teflon Platinum coating.

The Misen 8" pan is currently $35. Le Creuset's 8" pan is $100.

I'm not in the market for a nonstick pan right now but the Misen seems like a no brainer to me.

Thank you. You provided the information that I was not being provided by Misen emails or by their website. The Reasons posting clarifys everything.

I tried to place an order but the Non-Stick pans are not on their website. The Kickstarter promotion is no longer available.

Their website address has changed.

Tim wrote:... The Kickstarter promotion is no longer available.

The early bird deals are gone, but you can still get a pan via Kickstarter.

For delivery next year???

Tim wrote:For delivery next year???

Their deliveries traditionally have a very long lead time. Your order usually shows up at just about the same time as you give up hope.

That's how Kickstarter works. It's not a sale site, it's a project backing site. And, in fact, you might never get anything. There's a risk that you might back something that fails to get its manufacturing together.

Misen is having another KickStarter for skillets. Carbon Steel 10 and 12 inch ones. Two days left on the early bird prices.

I requested both pans, for $108, which includes shipping. They are currently funded at close to $500,000, a bit over the $20,000 goal.

I can't wait for mine! The nonstick pans are still as good as the day I got them, but if the carbon steel ones are all that, I'll pass 'em on to my kid.

Xexo wrote:Misen is having another KickStarter for skillets. Carbon Steel 10 and 12 inch ones. Two days left on the early bird prices.

I requested both pans, for $108, which includes shipping. They are currently funded at close to $500,000, a bit over the $20,000 goal.

The carbon steel bundle of a 10" and a 12" is now $99, which seems to be a great deal. Does anyone have any thoughts on these?

A friend bought a 12" carbon steel from Blanc Creatives, but it was $210. I'm sure comparing apples to oranges, but are there negatives with these Misen's?

Al Ehrhardt wrote:

Xexo wrote:Misen is having another KickStarter for skillets. Carbon Steel 10 and 12 inch ones. Two days left on the early bird prices.

I requested both pans, for $108, which includes shipping. They are currently funded at close to $500,000, a bit over the $20,000 goal.

The carbon steel bundle of a 10" and a 12" is now $99, which seems to be a great deal. Does anyone have any thoughts on these?

A friend bought a 12" carbon steel from Blanc Creatives, but it was $210. I'm sure comparing apples to oranges, but are there negatives with these Misen's?

The Blanc is hand-forged cast iron (awesome stuff, btw) and superior to anything Misen is putting out. That's why pricing is so different.

=R=

They're brand new. Nobody has them yet so we have no reviews. But I've been really happy with their other products, so I'm willing to roll the dice. Of course, if you can swing it, the established producer is your safest bet. There's always an element of risk as an early adopter, that's the price we pay for supporting the newcomer.

ronnie_suburban wrote:

Al Ehrhardt wrote:

Xexo wrote:Misen is having another KickStarter for skillets. Carbon Steel 10 and 12 inch ones. Two days left on the early bird prices.

I requested both pans, for $108, which includes shipping. They are currently funded at close to $500,000, a bit over the $20,000 goal.

The carbon steel bundle of a 10" and a 12" is now $99, which seems to be a great deal. Does anyone have any thoughts on these?

A friend bought a 12" carbon steel from Blanc Creatives, but it was $210. I'm sure comparing apples to oranges, but are there negatives with these Misen's?

The Blanc is hand-forged cast iron (awesome stuff, btw) and superior to anything Misen is putting out. That's why pricing is so different.

=R=

I realized it was hand forged, but it's carbon steel, not cast iron. Our friend loved the lighter weight of steel over iron, said the interior finish was smooth, and overall a beautiful pan.

https://blanccreatives.com/procollectio ... illetlarge

Aside from the hand forged awesomeness of that Blanc pan (which I recommended to him knowing his wife would love it), I was just curious if anyone thought these were worth a flyer for one of our kids.

Al Ehrhardt wrote:

ronnie_suburban wrote:

Al Ehrhardt wrote:

Xexo wrote:Misen is having another KickStarter for skillets. Carbon Steel 10 and 12 inch ones. Two days left on the early bird prices.

I requested both pans, for $108, which includes shipping. They are currently funded at close to $500,000, a bit over the $20,000 goal.

The carbon steel bundle of a 10" and a 12" is now $99, which seems to be a great deal. Does anyone have any thoughts on these?

A friend bought a 12" carbon steel from Blanc Creatives, but it was $210. I'm sure comparing apples to oranges, but are there negatives with these Misen's?

The Blanc is hand-forged cast iron (awesome stuff, btw) and superior to anything Misen is putting out. That's why pricing is so different.

=R=

I realized it was hand forged, but it's carbon steel, not cast iron. Our friend loved the lighter weight of steel over iron, said the interior finish was smooth, and overall a beautiful pan.

https://blanccreatives.com/procollectio ... illetlarge

Aside from the hand forged awesomeness of that Blanc pan (which I recommended to him knowing his wife would love it), I was just curious if anyone thought these were worth a flyer for one of our kids.

Ah, yes. Got it. I forgot that My Blancs, which I bought a couple of years ago, are a different line (Heritage) but still carbon steel.

Looking at the pics, it seems pretty clear why the hand-forged Blancs are more expensive than the Misen. They're more substantial and, again, hand-made. However, if weight is the determining factor, Misen may be the better option. If temperature retention, durability and aesthetics are more of a priority, the more expensive Blancs might be the way to go. Also, with a current lead time of 7 weeks for Blanc, if time is a factor, then Misen would be the call. If you're interested in hand-made, I would also suggest checking out Santa Barbara Forge, which makes beautiful pieces, and currently, only requires a lead time of 3-4 weeks.

In any case, none of these pans are, by default, non-stick. I just wanted to point that out since the discussion has now veered from the subject line of the thread.

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There are many carbon steel alternatives besides the no-one-has-handled-them Misen and the high-end, handmade options. Personally, I prefer rivetless construction for easier cleaning on carbon steel pans. Brands like Matfer Bourgeat are similarly or lower cost and available to ship right now. Figure out what you value (as Ronnie says) and pursue that.

Also, I've found the weight difference between carbon steel and similarly sized cast iron to be not so significant. It is noticeable, but I really don't think it would change how I use either pan.

gastro gnome wrote: Brands like Matfer Bourgeat are similarly or lower cost and available to ship right now.

I have a few sizes of Matfer Bourgeat, Cooks Illustrated #1 pick for carbon steel pans, and have been more than happy with them. $52.97 for 11 7/8-inch on Amazon, current price.

gastro gnome wrote:Figure out what you value (as Ronnie says) and pursue that.

This is the key -- figuring out your own priorities and preferences.

I've learned that when cooking on gas, I prefer the Scanpan Professional non-stick line for everyday use. They are made of highly conductive material, so they heat up fast. I like the handle shape and size -- just about a perfect fit for my hands. Their weight is right where I want it to be. Not too heavy to handle easily but not so light that they lack a substantial feel. The non-stick surface is effective and durable. I've seen no chipping or degradation over the several years I've owned them. And, with metal handles, they can go from the stovetop into the oven without a worry.

On the downside, this line is not great at temperature retention. And because of the materials with which they're made, they cannot be used on induction cooktops. I own cookware that checks both these boxes but it's not my everyday stuff. I tend to pull those out for certain, specific tasks.

As for the Misen, at the end of 2019, I ordered a 2-pan bundle of their newly-released nonstick pans, and I like them. The line doesn't speak to me the way the Scanpan stuff does but it's absolutely fine. It feels less substantial to me and honestly, I haven't owned it long enough to comment on its durability. I'm not a fan of the rubber grips on the handles, though. I don't feel that I can safely put them in the oven, and I also worry about moisture getting in between the grips and the handles during cleaning.

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Sorry, mea culpa, my bad. I didn't notice this was the nonstick, Misen thread. I just search for Misen, not wanting to start a new thread.

The silicon handles on these carbon steel pans are removable and are a bonus for this kickstarter (maybe only for the early bird special, I don't remember).

I'm just an amateur cook, so I can't rationalize spending too much for pans. As I hadn't seen any carbon steel pans, I jumped at these rather than hunting around. Now I have a couple of brand names, so I can go look. I did break the bank getting some knives in December. Been meaning to post pictures.

Xexo wrote:Sorry, mea culpa, my bad. I didn't notice this was the nonstick, Misen thread. I just search for Misen, not wanting to start a new thread.

No worries. We updated the subject line to incorporate the expanded discussion.

Xexo wrote:The silicon handles on these carbon steel pans are removable and are a bonus for this kickstarter (maybe only for the early bird special, I don't remember).

Understood. I prefer to eliminate the steps all together by choosing pans on which the handles fit my hand well. That said, I do have some forged pieces (carbon and cast iron) on which the handles need some augmentation for easier handling.

Xexo wrote:I'm just an amateur cook, so I can't rationalize spending too much for pans. As I hadn't seen any carbon steel pans, I jumped at these rather than hunting around. Now I have a couple of brand names, so I can go look. I did break the bank getting some knives in December. Been meaning to post pictures.

Makes sense and I do hope you post about your knives. I'm really curious to know how it's going with them.

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Thanks Mr. Suburban for updating the title. Most kind of you.

I'll post when I get the pans.

I'll get pictures of my knives next week and get them posted.

Just got an email that Misen is having a 2 day sale, 50% off all original Misen cookware and knives. While supplies last.

When I click on the link, it shows a 40% off, so not sure which it is. Ends Wednesday, 2/19/2020 11:59 pm EST.

https://www.misen.co/pages/clearance

Xexo wrote:Just got an email that Misen is having a 2 day sale, 50% off all original Misen cookware and knives. While supplies last.

When I click on the link, it shows a 40% off, so not sure which it is. Ends Wednesday, 2/19/2020 11:59 pm EST.

https://www.misen.co/pages/clearance

When I visited just now, it was 50%.

Cathy2 wrote:When I visited just now, it was 50%.

Thanks Cathy! I guess the update on the website was slower than the sending of the emails.

And thanks for moving my post to here. I wasn't sure where to put it. You are most kind and helpful.