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    Post #1 - August 24th, 2004, 2:53 pm
    Post #1 - August 24th, 2004, 2:53 pm Post #1 - August 24th, 2004, 2:53 pm
    I was on CH a few hours ago and someone asked about planning outings.Someone replied with a link to LTH.Now I went back and it was gone.But there was a new response from the CH team.Is this sort of thing common on CH?Thank you.
  • Post #2 - August 24th, 2004, 3:14 pm
    Post #2 - August 24th, 2004, 3:14 pm Post #2 - August 24th, 2004, 3:14 pm
    Apparently we're out of favor again. I shall spend a sleepless night worrying about it.
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  • Post #3 - August 24th, 2004, 3:18 pm
    Post #3 - August 24th, 2004, 3:18 pm Post #3 - August 24th, 2004, 3:18 pm
    hattyn wrote:I was on CH a few hours ago and someone asked about planning outings.Someone replied with a link to LTH.Now I went back and it was gone.But there was a new response from the CH team.Is this sort of thing common on CH?Thank you.


    Fairly common. I emailed the original poster in that thread and gave her a link to lth, so she's likely lurking. Hi!

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  • Post #4 - August 24th, 2004, 3:28 pm
    Post #4 - August 24th, 2004, 3:28 pm Post #4 - August 24th, 2004, 3:28 pm
    gleam wrote:Fairly common. I emailed the original poster in that thread and gave her a link to lth, so she's likely lurking. Hi!

    -ed

    Ed,

    Thanks, I'm going to email Mike G and Dickson and suggest raising both your, and your mom's, LTHForum referral commission from 4% to 5%.

    Enjoy,
    Gary
  • Post #5 - August 24th, 2004, 3:30 pm
    Post #5 - August 24th, 2004, 3:30 pm Post #5 - August 24th, 2004, 3:30 pm
    That's pathetic. I also posted a link recently for someone asking about Le Francais. Figured I'd answer a query without retyping and spread some goodwill at the same time. I've been posting a short blurb here and there where no decent response to a good question was forthcoming. I guess I'll stop that.
  • Post #6 - August 24th, 2004, 3:33 pm
    Post #6 - August 24th, 2004, 3:33 pm Post #6 - August 24th, 2004, 3:33 pm
    Well, maybe they just want to actually encourage the planning of events on CH, since the known event planners are all pretty much here now. That's not a bad thing.
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  • Post #7 - August 24th, 2004, 3:41 pm
    Post #7 - August 24th, 2004, 3:41 pm Post #7 - August 24th, 2004, 3:41 pm
    JeffB wrote:That's pathetic. I also posted a link recently for someone asking about Le Francais. Figured I'd answer a query without retyping and spread some goodwill at the same time. I've been posting a short blurb here and there where no decent response to a good question was forthcoming. I guess I'll stop that.


    There's no link to LTH in that Le Francais discussion now. (I replied to that discussion, since the only reply the poor questioner got couldn't seem to tell the difference between Le Francais and Biggs. Ghod.). So it seems that LTH is off topic at CH. At least this week.

    I'd feel bad for those users if there weren't so many people posting "I'm coming to Chicago for one night, what should I eat?"
    ---dick
  • Post #8 - August 24th, 2004, 3:54 pm
    Post #8 - August 24th, 2004, 3:54 pm Post #8 - August 24th, 2004, 3:54 pm
    Generally, I think Chowhound has a pretty consistent and reasonable policy on this, though I don't think they make much of an effort to enforce it consistently.

    If you link to another site without providing content outside the link, you're likely to be deleted. If you provide content in your post, and link at the bottom for additional information, I think they're fine with that.

    Of course they miss some stuff, but I really think they just miss stuff rather than hold a grudge against LTH. The only way I think LTH would get automatically nuked is if people kept posting links to LTH Forum without putting any content into the posts. I believe that's what happened to Holly Moore, for example.
  • Post #9 - August 24th, 2004, 8:03 pm
    Post #9 - August 24th, 2004, 8:03 pm Post #9 - August 24th, 2004, 8:03 pm
    Aaron Deacon wrote:If you link to another site without providing content outside the link, you're likely to be deleted. If you provide content in your post, and link at the bottom for additional information, I think they're fine with that.


    I think you're right, that's what they've said in the past when people complain about egullet posts being removed. That lot strikes me as a pretty smarmy bunch anyway, from what I've seen they are really out to build up their site and don't have any qualms about aggressively marketing themselves. The posts I saw from them with just a link to their site seemed like a total waste of time to me. If you have something useful to say, well, then say it. That encourages discussion. And fine, add a link if you think I'll benefit from reading more on another site. But the point is, I came HERE for discussion, and I want to discuss it with the people here, not with a bunch of strangers I don't know on another site.

    I think it's a pretty good policy- if you are contributing to the site you're posting on, and adding value to the discussion, who cares where else you link to? On the other hand, if you're just posting no content with a link elsewhere, I feel like it wastes my time and disrespects the people whose site you're using to promote your own site.

    This isn't just a food site thing, I've seen it on other forums I've participated in.
  • Post #10 - August 24th, 2004, 8:16 pm
    Post #10 - August 24th, 2004, 8:16 pm Post #10 - August 24th, 2004, 8:16 pm
    hattyn wrote:I was on CH a few hours ago and someone asked about planning outings.Someone replied with a link to LTH.Now I went back and it was gone.But there was a new response from the CH team.Is this sort of thing common on CH?Thank you.


    It was I, JimInLoganSquare, who posted the link to LTH that was expunged. It really makes me sick, actually, because they ultimately recommended using a commercial website, Evites, to arrange chow events. Ah, well. I really thought I was being helpful. My impression was that CH really didn't want people using their bandwidth to plan events. That was why lth listserve got started, and now LTHForum.
  • Post #11 - August 24th, 2004, 8:24 pm
    Post #11 - August 24th, 2004, 8:24 pm Post #11 - August 24th, 2004, 8:24 pm
    Joy's Sis wrote:egullet....That lot strikes me as a pretty smarmy bunch anyway, from what I've seen they are really out to build up their site and don't have any qualms about aggressively marketing themselves.


    I think that may be bit unfair. I've never posted heavily on eGullet, but I wouldn't call eGullet posters smarmy. Don't know much about their marketing. In any case, I'd hate to see you paint with too broad a brush. There are plenty of folks in this forum who would more comfortably call themselves eGulleteers or Chowhounds than LTHers. Each forum has a unique appeal, and I think there's enough food lovers in Chicago to support them all, and hopefully enough goodwill to allow frequent cross pollination.
  • Post #12 - August 24th, 2004, 9:01 pm
    Post #12 - August 24th, 2004, 9:01 pm Post #12 - August 24th, 2004, 9:01 pm
    I don't know if "smarmy" is the right word, but there is a certain amount of back-patting on eGullet, as well as hero-worship (just check out the thread on Achatz's new restaurant, Alinea). Nevertheless, I still poke around there and occasionally find a topic worth posting on, and the overall site (not just the Heartland section) does have some interesting articles/postings.
  • Post #13 - August 24th, 2004, 11:10 pm
    Post #13 - August 24th, 2004, 11:10 pm Post #13 - August 24th, 2004, 11:10 pm
    Hi,

    After reading this, I went back to see if anything I posted recently had been nipped off. I found everything there with relevant links to other posts on LTH as well as CH. I do provide enough new information and use the links to avoid restating what has already been done so well long before.

    For an instant, I thought one post was missing, it was a response to Lill on the rodent exterminator on Kedzie. Certainly, it had no food value by any stretch of the imagination.
    Cathy2

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  • Post #14 - August 25th, 2004, 7:37 am
    Post #14 - August 25th, 2004, 7:37 am Post #14 - August 25th, 2004, 7:37 am
    Aaron Deacon wrote:
    Joy's Sis wrote:egullet....That lot strikes me as a pretty smarmy bunch anyway, from what I've seen they are really out to build up their site and don't have any qualms about aggressively marketing themselves.


    I think that may be bit unfair. I've never posted heavily on eGullet, but I wouldn't call eGullet posters smarmy. Don't know much about their marketing. In any case, I'd hate to see you paint with too broad a brush. There are plenty of folks in this forum who would more comfortably call themselves eGulleteers or Chowhounds than LTHers. Each forum has a unique appeal, and I think there's enough food lovers in Chicago to support them all, and hopefully enough goodwill to allow frequent cross pollination.


    Sorry, you're right, I was painting with too broad a bunch. It's the people who run that site who seem a bit too opportunistic to me. I guess it's fine to see this whole food site thing as a business enterprise, but I hate smarmy marketing, and that's what it seems to me they do. But as you say, if I don't like it, I just don't have to be there, it's my choice.
  • Post #15 - August 25th, 2004, 8:13 am
    Post #15 - August 25th, 2004, 8:13 am Post #15 - August 25th, 2004, 8:13 am
    Joy's Sis wrote:if I don't like it, I just don't have to be there, it's my choice.


    Well we're certainly glad to have you here!

    Cheers,

    Aaron

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